Q: Will there be an Upsetters' Band
reunion?
A: I once planned the Upsetter Band. The upsetter was so upsetting that
it upset even I. They wanted to take over the whole thing. They was upset
and they become Reggae Boys and Reggae this and they become Wailers. So
I give them all the things that wail and upset them and put all that is
upsetting away. I put their alcohol away. I put the rum away. I put the
deads away. And I put the massive dreads away they were all too
dead and dreadful for me, you understand. I am the Upsetter. Anything
that is upsetting me I must get rid of it, or execute it, or exterminate
it. That's why I'm the Upsetter to upset what is upsetting me and
what is not good for me, is to exterminate it, liquidate it or wipe it out.
I must not be upset. There won't be any more Upsetter Band, I'm pressitively
sure!
Q: Are you rebuilding the Black Ark
Studios?
A: I did want to but I discover what it will bring around me. It will
bring back the destruction that was around me. And even death. My power
is to stay alive not to encourage death. So the Black Ark Studio
won't be coming back neither. Anything that is a problem to me, my object
is to put it away, get rid of it. I don't care how powerful it was, even
if it was the power of the world, it have to go, it was a problem.
Q: Why do you have cows moaning throughout the Congo's HEART OF THE CONGO
(double CD set on Blood & Fire)?
A: And elephant as well. I believe in the animal. The elephant represents
to me the heaven, the firmament. And the foundation of the big ears is
the big heaven up there. Big affirmament. And the lion (growls), you,
is down there, yes sir. So without the animals we wouldn't be here anyhow.
No shadows would be here but the shadows of stones because we all come
from the monkey superape. He first bring the human brain here.
The human brain get stupid and start to eat the monkey brain, gulp!
Q: How did dub music begin?
A: Everyone who started a particular music, you must have heart. Your
heart must start go boop boop, boop boop. That's the beat of the drum.
You have a brain. It go tick tick, tick tick tock, that's the bass here
(as Lee points to his head). This is your bass. You call it your brain,
that's your base. And this is your heart (Lee puts his palm on his chest).
This is your drum. So you study. You created with your drum 'pon you
heart. Is a clean perfect heart. Make sure your heart not corrupted because
what you sends out is coming back to your heart. If you send out love it
will be coming back to your heart. And if you send out hate it will be
coming back to cut your heart strings. And if you send out a good cartwave
then it will be coming back with a dub you see flying in a cloud of good
news. OK!? So you get a little bit distracted but you call it dub. You
can have guitarists around and pianists around if they are not confusing.
But as far as I'm concerned I prefer only to have the bass and drum. But
if the musicians are not confusing they can join in and do their little
thing but don't confuse me.
Q: How do you rate California herb?
A: Well, uh, why don't you give me a portion of the best for my sample
at the secret laboratory? Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Q: Tell us about your relationship
with Hailie Sellasie and did you see him when he came to Jamaica?
A: Did I see him? Then why did he send I to Jamaica before him? To clear
the way for him. I don't look anyways to see him, Emperior Hailie Sellasie.
Because I know where Emperor Hailie Sellasie is. He never die. He said
"to the mudhut Shazaam!" and there was a streak of lightening.
There was no loco put over them anymore. And if the mudhut did not shazaam
he would say "Presto Change-o" and maybe there wouldn't be anymore
Africa. But he didn't want to do that. He wanted ten thousand Ethiopians
to fall as his right hand and I know he is the only King that have the power
to jump over flesh. And leave it if he don't want it. He don't
want to grow old. Emperior Hailie Selassie cannot grow old. He is King
Tut the uncommon king. Did you know that music is the King Emperior Hailie Selassie? The music
is the King. And the heart is the King. And the tart is the King and I
was in Jamaica, a big thing, creating a musical brain called "It's
a Punky Reggae Party." Somebody want to change it into a cocaine party.
And because I didn't want to be in the Cocaine Party, me and his majesty
Hailie Selassie disappear without the cocaine party. So I was in Jamaica,
knowing that he was coming to crash somebody's brain but it wasn't mine.
You ask the question if I did see him when he come to Jamaica. I said
"Yes. He sent me to prepare the way." Because he's coming to
Jamaica to crumble the cocaine brain. You understand me? So I was there
preparing the way for him to crumble the cocaine brain. And to kaput the
cocaine plane. Everyway I go he sent me before.
Q: What inspired your CD WHO PUT
THE VOODOO PON REGGAE (Ariwa/Ras)?
A: What inspired me is (that) some of us (are) unbalanced and for us to
get balanced we'd have to go on one track. So we create big boom like a
big dance track for the people to follow. It wasn't meaned to be called
reggae. But something go wrong and I didn't have a name for it at the time
but the government wanted the energy and they want to call it reggae. So
some thing go mix up, through money. And because something go mix up I
don't want to have anything to do with the name reggae. But whomever love
it I will bless them and say take it. I don't want to have nothin' to do
with it for reason more than one. But God bless you for loving the reggae
but I don't want to discuss anything about it p; put it away for ransom.
Like His Majesty give Egypt for his freedom. See, I'm following Emperor
Hailie Selassie foot for footsteps. He didn't give Egypt for nah reason,
he give it up and I have to give away reggae for a reason as well. I don't
want to be a kaput, OK? I send you a prophet and the musiuc could not save
the life of the prophet. It mean the music must be dangerous, I could only
say that. What I believe in cannot save my life. If it cannot save my
life I'm not going to believe in it.
Q: Are you talking about Bob Marley?
A: If you say so. I didn't say so. I said I send you a prophet. If the
reggae didn't save him how is it going to save me? The People love reggae
and I love reggae still. I don't hate reggae and I don't want you to think
I throw away reggae. But the force that it bring upon me, I have to burn
down the Black Art Studio, leave Jamaica. Otherwise I wouldn't be here.
They would have take my life the way they want the reggae and reggae tape.
They take away all my reggae tape. Maybe I keep my reason. I give the reggae
to save my life. I love reggae. It become a giant and boom! cannot
be controlled anymore. The people who make it, they want to kill those
and those tapes evermore expensive. Cause when you are alive you are nothing
but when you are dead then you is worth something. So I was supposed to
be dead and be a legend then my reggae tape would sell more.
Q: How do you see Nelson Mandela?
A: In my category as a spiritual champion, he's my spiritual champion.
Q: Did you ever do any kind of professional boxing like Mandela did?
A: I do boxing. I am open. I am open so open your hands and tell the
questions that could not answer. Bob Marley said "There's a natural
mystic blowing in the air, if you listen carefully you will hear."
Though he can define the answer for all the question asked, it is impossible
for him to go back to his past. It is possible for I to go back to my past,
pick up my cross, cross my hearth, heart; get on my horse, ride from the
past, pick up the present and play the part of Santa Clause and go into
the future. Here I am.
Q: When were you born?
A: On a Friday, which is a payday the money day. And the date was
two zero, 20th of the third, 1.9.3.6. So because I was born on the 20th
of the third 1.9.3.6., I know that three six are out there making trouble.
So I demand the power of the three six, take away the three six, have the
three six tricked, trick the three six, wrap up the three six, have it well
mixed in my master mix. And take away the power of the arch-bishop and
the pope's, and the council of the churches and the heads of government.
And take away the power of the International Monetary Foundation, take
silver from Wall Street and Capitol Hill as the Mental Doctor of the People.
The Peoples' Doctor. Heh, heh. And the people actor. The People's Inheritance.
I don't care what happen or what people say. Fuck them. I am going to
do what I think I here to do, what the spirit say to do as well. If they
think I rule the wind and I can change the weather, let them think so. Then
I will rule the weather and change the weather.
Q: You've done many songs about herb over the years. Do you remember "Herb
Vendor" by Horse Mouth?
A: Yeah. About the herbs because is the herbs that sent I to spread the
word. Then you give the warning before the herbs come with the big spawning.
Q: Do you remember the first time
you smoked herb?
A: It made me feel real gizzy and I don't know what's happening or what
it is that's happening. And I want to say it took me on a trip, a strange
trip. And I was no longer on this planet earth. It take me into space
and I wanted to come out of it. And I get out of it. I was afraid of it
and I want to say whatever it is, I try it again. But the trip was nice.
And it teach me wisdom, knowledge, and understanding and put me back down
on the planet earth to stand on solid ground. You say whatever you want.
You ask the earth because the earth have all the powers. If you think earth
didn't have the powers, how did earth grow the trees & the plants &
the flowers. And how does the earth feed the animals. So then he send
me back to earth after the trip to understand that the earth is the lord.
Then if you want or need anything, why don't you knock and ask the earth.
Q: So herb is revelation?
A: And the revolution.
Q: Could you talk about the different
kinds of Jamaican herb like Lamb's Bread, Goat Shit, etc.?
A: Sensimeania, Lamb's Bread. Cannabis. Collie. Mariguana. Tampi. Any
name it have it is the same. It just named herbs. The Herbs. Green herbs.
Green collie herbs, green mariguana herbs or green ganja herbs p; is
just the green Genie you talking about. Yeah, the Genie exists and the
green ganja collie is The Genie! The green genie Godeenie. He makes the
wind blow, the grass grow. He makes the school bell ring and the children
sing. He makes the church bell ring and the people sing. Hallelejah. Jahovia.
Jah Rastafari. See Emperor Hailie Selassie, the tree of life ganja!
Q: You did another song called "Bushweed
Corntrash" What's that?
A: Well, people used to feel a different vibration off the weed. So the
weeds that normally we did plant & it grow we didn't maintain
properly or fertilize or give lickle bit of treatment p; good treatment
that they could turn into a good smoke so it become a bush weed with
no heavy mental treatment because you didn't put any mental support
it didn't get any mental support. So they put it with corn trash and smoke
it as one vibration. But it gets some mental treatment p; it's getting
mental kinky. Heh heh. A mental wasted. Hah hah! You know what you put
in you get out. You didn't give anything so it become bushweed. And you
put it with corntrash and you smoke it. And say it was fucking up your
brain.
Q: It's not worth smoking?
A: What you take see and what you let soweth.
Q: Isn't Goat Shit an especially strong
herb since goats prune and shit around it?
A: Cow shit. Goat shit. Rat shit. Cow shit. Horse shit. Not dog shit
or bull shit. Cause dog shit & bull shit is very poisonous. Cause
those two eat dead meat more than anything else.
Q: So you don't recommend those as
fertilizers?
A: No dog shit. No bull shit. Used as fertilizer. Even human shit, no
matter. Human shit is the richest fertilizer. Even though they scorn their
shit and they don't know that their shit is the richest fertilizer. And
they don't know what their piss is the greatest healer.
Q: What was the idea behind that song
"Herb Vendor"?
A: When we get the message from upstairs me get a message from a
different planet to deliver here down on earth to you people on this planet,
earthlings. I extra-terrestial it to deliver to the earthlings. So I make
it on music so that the earthling can hear this is a message and I don't
even remember it until you remind me about it because you did get the message.
(Lee starts repeating lyrics from "Herb Vendor) Dub it Iyah. Dub
it Iyah. Dub it Iyah. Yeah. Hit the collie. Hit the collie till it swell
your head now. Do it Iyah. Do it Iyah. Yes!
Q: How's the herb in Switzerland?
A: Yeahow. It's OK and I think they don't fight against herb. They don't
put herbs amongst the drugs. They don't rate herbs like drugs and ecstasy.
Put herb always above that. Think about that.
Q: What's your favorite way to ingest
it?
A: Tea. And I smoke.
Q: How do you make the tea?
A: Green. You put on the tea and boil up a quarter leaf which is like
the tiny amount you put in your teabag in hot water. About the same time.
And take it out and shake it out and hang it up for another time. You
don't just throw it away, maybe use it seven mornings straight. And if
you think all the juices out you put it away to dry. And when it dry you
want to smoke it, go on and smoke it.
Q: So how's California herb?
A: It need a little more fertilizer like maybe cow shit or around it.
But no bullshit. (That'll) give it more strength. It need a little more
mixed in. It want a touch up. They want something needed there. So get
in the field and mix it up with something nice, like maybe a little sugar
some time. And salt. The people not treating the earth right. They only
take from the earth and not give anything back. But the earth make you
know that your body need a little sugar, a little salt.
When you just plant something there and expect to get the best from it
and give nothing to the earth p; OOOOHHH! Come on! Give 'em a lickle
milk too, why not. Collie plant a little sugar a little salt
a little milk, like a baby. Then what kind of herb it gonna be.
Q: I hear you legalized ganja as President Perry. Under what jurisdiction?
A: Righteousness. Righteous-ness-jurisdiction. Judgment. Judgment from
the Bible. Of God's Psalms. One of David. And the root of David through
the line of Solomon. Through His Imperial Majesty, Emperor Hailie Selassie
Black supremacy. Through your crosses, seven mile of Black Star Liner Ethiopian
Imperial Government. That wipe out the royal government. I charge them
for fucking each other in the ass, in the batty, in the pussy as
a charge against the royal family from the imperial family Music Government.
Q: You look like Selassie. Is your family from Ethiopia?
A: I am the mystic warrior of His Majesty Emperor Hailie Selassie I, the
music.
Q: So you are Selassie's advance man.
A: I clear the way. Heh heh heh.
Q: There is this term called off-hand jape. Have you ever heard of it?
It rhymes with Super Ape. It's a kind of light-hearted joke. To me you
are the king of the off-hand jape.
A: Jape. Well, J.A.P.E. It mean Jah. A.P.E. Jah Ape Man. Trodding
through creation in an irie extermination. He is also trodding as a liquidator
to liquidate who must be liquidated. And then the executor to execute
who must be executed. (At this point a maid turns up a real loud vacuum
cleaner on the motel veranda above just as Perry makes a very loud kissing
sound at the back of his teeth.) Vacuum! Hah hah! That must be the great
Fred Astaire upstairs. It's his vacuum cleaner.
Q: Is that a flaming sunleaf on your
shirt?
A: Fire, yesss. Sparkling fire. Fire revelation. Fire mean the revelation
of a prophecy.
Q: And fire burned down the Black
Art?
A: Yeah. Fire come as a witness again.
Q: What was the record that Chris
Blackwell turned down?
A: ROAST FISH, COLLIE WEED AND CORNBREAD. That album. That's what caused
every fucking thing.
Q: You were at the height of your powers and he doesn't get it?
A: Eh heh heh. Yeah.
Q: And then a couple years later you
released "Judgement In A Babylon" with Chris Blackwell on the
cover as a vampire?
A: Um um. Judgement. Why not? It's not supposed to be anything else
but judgement. When he fight against ROAST FISH, COLLIE WEED & CORNBREAD,
it did create power. What else could I call it but judgement. Tell me.
I couldn't call it justice. If I call it justice I would have killed him
instantly. Hah eh ha. You understand it? Roast fish, collie weed &
cornbread. Imagine that! And you fight against that now. That get
that what get me mad completely. And I did not call out for my sword of
justice. If I did, I'd kill him instantly and that would be against the
rules of the cosmic laws. You have the cosmic laws and the cosmic energy.
The cosmic energy don't want you to do that because the watcher want to
watch. And if you spoil the watcher fun and the watcher don't watch till
the end, the watcher will charge you for spoiling the watcher fun. You should
have let it go to the end of Revelation 22 when it is said "Amen."
Coming through Our Lord Jesus Christ because the watcher has watched it
to the end and it is perfect. And could not be better done. Then the observer
say "Oh yes. It is so." So I call for judgment inna babylon.
Q: So you think government forces
targeted Bob Marley?
A: Of course.
Q: And took him out?
A: Yeah. That's what they did! They switch it. They switch plan.
Q: And you like to take a low profile.
A: Yeah, while they switch plan. Because while they switch plan, they
will plan to bring up Satan from out of the ground, under the earth. But
I the Sandman say "No Satan won't come up". We're gonna allow
Satan to come up to the neck and hold Satan with the sun and the quicksand
and choke Satan. He cannot go up or down unless Satan agree to I &
I terms. Ee eee eee eee eee! Then hold Satan by the neck thank you boss!
Heh heh. You have Satan foot down and Satan neck cannot go up further.
You wrap him up with tree leaves.
Q: Last night at your show you said
"Are you deaf? I will make you deaf." Why do you want to make
people deaf, then they can't hear you anymore?
A: I will make them undeaf. I mean, if you are closed I will make you
unclosed. And if your brain is closed I will open your brain and open your
mind and open your heart and open your tart. Open all your parts! Yeah.
Then if you open your past with your ears as your pass so you're hearing
and I come through your pass & give you a present into your future;
through your ears I speak. Could you hear me if you're not havin' the
ears on? If you could not hear then you could not hear me. And if you
could not see then you could not see me, could you?
Q: Well, it's strange that you can shut your eyes but you can't shut your
ears. Your ears are always open.
A: Uh huh. Always open. Even when you dream. Even when you have vision
you hear something else sing. Oh yeah!
Q: You often make references, and people have said that you're crazy or
you're eccentric 'I am a Madman', 'strait-jackets and all'.
A: I love that.
Q: And I think you know you're not really crazy.
A: If I'm not being criticized I'm not really happy. Heh heh heh,.
Q: I think you use it as a way to
keep people at bay. Isn't that what's really going on?
A: Look, I'm surrounded with people with wasted brain. And when I send
out my beam, my scannin' beam, and go into their wasted brain and see no
part of the wasted brain that I require they bore I they bore
me I'm bored! (emits loud growl) Bu when I scan the brain and see
brain that are not wasted brain that can be put to work or put to
use to bring forward a creation, takes in life, the circle of life and the
circle of light. I would really be interested in it. Then I won't be bored.
Q: You worked with Paul McCartney.
He got busted in Japan for herb and you sent this telegram to the Minister
of Justice in Tokyo where you said Paul's quarter kilo was not excessive.
Is there any kind of excessive amount of herb?
A: Listen, the amount of herbs he want to carry, even if have a plane load
of herbs he would have to be set free. You understand? We won't
have to threaten Japanese government to show how powerful we are. We can
do anything with Japanese government. We could even threaten Japanese government
with even more heavier earthquake. You can even give them more sample of
earthquake, three shakes or something like that or how they like it. Because
we make positive plan to make sure we conquer the Japanese dragon. Wrap
up the Japanese dragon for a thousand year and cause Japanese dragon down
into the bottomless pit. Spit on it. Piss on it. I take earthquake to
free our singers or musicians or our chanters in the name of shit. So that
is what we do to Jah-pan. So the amount he could take even more. And Japanese
have to seize it and say OK, we don't see it. We didn't see it. It did
not happen. We don't want to get involved with anything like that. Much
less with a t'ing like Mr. Perry, the voodoo master. Not to get involved
with the master witch. Let me make clear a fact. I am the master witch
and I am the voodoo master. That's what the real truth is about it. So
anyone who is wise would not want to get involved with the master witch.
Then again, go ahead. They're surely gonna eat their shit and drink their
piss.
Q: Just one more question.
A: I'm trembling. I'm shaking. AAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!
Q: It's cold in San Francisco.
A: (sings) I'm not complaining about the weather
Q: President Perryca, what is your message for America?
A: To stand by me in the recreation of life's source with the economic
International Money Foundation. Ganja play the head part in it through
the music. And if you cooperate with the ganja and the music, you are able
to create your economic and your trust fund.
Q: Herb is the healing of the nation.
A: Yeah! And herb send the music.
Q: And that's why they fight it down.
A: The music is the shepherd.
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